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January 7, 2009

ESPN: Stafford and Moreno will go pro today


Knowshon Moreno (Image: Jim Hipple)

ESPN's Mark Schlabach just posted an article stating that multiple sources have confirmed to him that Matthew Stafford and Knowshon Moreno will declare their intentions to enter the NFL draft early at a press conference today.

For all of those folks who think, Stafford "isn't ready yet," I would ask you...."Who is MORE prepared for the NFL right now than Matthew Stafford? Sam Bradford? Ok. I'll give you that one.

Who else? Colt McCoy? During the Fiesta Bowl, I'd wager that McCoy only attempted about 3 passes longer than 15 yards of his 55 or so attempts. Tebow's mechanics are a total mess. Graham Harrell is a system QB who primarily throws dink and dump passes in a non-analogous NFL offense. So, who is more ready? The only way I see Stafford falling out of the Top 5 picks of the draft would be if the Lions or Chiefs sign Matt Cassell as a free agent AND if the other team drafted Bradford over Stafford.

Could he have benefited from another year in college? Probably. But that's not the same as saying "He's not ready, yet."

Good luck to both of them. They've both performed at elite levels for Georgia, and they were both instrumental to our success. Without Stafford and Moreno, there's no #2 ranking last year, and this team would've easily been an 8-5 or worse squad without them.

Update:
I'm watching the press conference. They are both gone, and they are saying all the right things. Richt said that Joe Cox is our #1 as of right now, and one of the other guys will "have to knock him out of the box."

PWD

105 comments:

Anonymous said...

And, FWIW, McCoy has already said he's coming back to UT, and I think it's far from settled that Bradford (who's a RSo after all!) will go pro.

Good luck to MS7 & KM24 !

Russ said...

Thanks to both Stafford and Moreno for some great Bulldog memories! Best of luck at the next level. I just hope it's not the Lions.

Anonymous said...

God Bless both Stafford and Moreno and thanks for your loyalty to the Dawgs. We will follow your careers with love.

C J said...

I can only hope the Lions take someone else, so that Staff gets picked by Kansas City..at least he'll have a chance of a good career with them.

Crane said...

DGD's

drunk dawg said...

Amen Crane.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the Aaron Murray show!!!

Anonymous said...

btw, cassell was franchised by new england, so no free agency for him. a team would have to give up a 1st and 3rd round pick to get cassell.

Anonymous said...

I am actually excited that we might get to see what Joe Cox is made of next year. If Stafford goes, I hope he will get the chance to step up.

Anonymous said...

Aaron Murray? Give me Joe Cox for a year. Maybe he can pull a Shockley, and take this team to the top!

Anonymous said...

Once a Dawg, always a Dawg. Thanks for the memories #7 and #24. You're the man, Joe!

Castleberry said...

As much as it hurts to say, they're both making the right decision.


I'll be curious to watch the QB situation shape up for next year. I really liked what I saw out of Logan Gray in last year's spring game. I think the starting job is between Cox and Gray - I don't see a true freshman getting it done next year.


PWD - you also mentioned Samuel moving to LB next year. Sounds like this announcement will decrease the likelihood of a position move. Thoughts??

GShock said...

Yeah, I'm excited about Joe Cox having a chance as well. Bobo won't ask Cox to throw bombs down the field as often and our short passing game might actually improve. I think the offensive line will be incredibly solid next year, which will enable our running game lead by King to have a strong year.

Thanks for Stafford and Moreno for giving us one of the most exciting years in UGA's history. You'll definitely be missed.

PatinDC said...

Ditto CJ. Here's hoping Detroit goes with Sam Bradford. Although Stafford to C Johnson would be an awesome combo.

Any thoughts on who Moreno might go to?

rbubp said...

I also really hope to see Stafford with the Chiefs...not only do I live close enough to watch him progress, but it is historically a much better organization than the Lions despite its current state.

If Sanchez enters the draft along with Bradford it is possible Stafford is the 3rd qb taken.

RedCrake said...

I would say Moreno will go to one of two places:

Tampa Bay at 19
or Arizona toward the end of the first round.

Tampa has injury issues with C. Williams and Warrick Dunn isn't getting any younger. Moreno could thrive initially as a second back behind E. Graham.

The Cardinals are gonna need a running back since James has made it clear he wants out of Arizona.

Anonymous said...

How bout this situation. The lions have the #1 and the #20 pick. Maybe Stafford and Moreno stay together in the NFL.

Anonymous said...

Stafford is staying, Moreno leaving.

rbubp said...

Yeah, Arizona is a good fit for Knowshon. He catches and blocks in a way that a passing-centric team like that would want...

Anonymous said...

Willie- How kind of you to leave out the other bowl they went to.

Anonymous said...

this isn't for sure yet. they are announcing at 3:00

RedCrake said...

Say what you like WW. Despite the fact that you clearly have inside knowledge on the motivations of both players, lets consider a few things:

1) Does UGA go to or come back and win the Chic-fil-a Bowl without Stafford?

2) Does UGA still manage to win 10 games in 2008 with a constantly restructured O-line without Stafford and Moreno?

3) Does UGA come back after the Tennessee loss in 2007 to win the Sugar Bowl and finish #2 in the country without Stafford and Moreno?

The answer to all of those questions in case you were wondering is hell no!

Both guys stepped up and made major contributions to the program over the last 3 years.

Its ok to be upset and disappointed. Its ok to get excited about Cox and King (I'm getting there by the way). But its not ok to rag on two guys who contributed to victories for the Dawgs and to raising the national profile of the program.

Some people have said that Stafford saw UGA as a springboard to the NFL. Maybe he did. So what? In the meantime, he won a lot more games than he lost and, along with Moreno, kept UGA in the national spotlight.

Good luck guys. I hope neither one of you gets picked by Detroit.


p.s. Neither of them are thugs.

BCS-Sucks said...
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Anonymous said...

Logically, if Stafford's Dad is choosing to drive the 13hrs to Athens rather than fly, I would imagine that he is picking something up, i.e. Stafford and his stuff. Plus, why does he need to be there otherwise?

Anonymous said...

why are some of you saying that stafford is staying, have you read something saying that?

Anonymous said...

I know that next year's class will be loaded, but the Matt Cassel situation could have a huge impact on Stafford financially. If you look at the draft order, only these teams in the top 10 need a qb - Detroit, KC, San Fran. St. Louis could take a qb as could Seattle (esp if they trade Hasselback to Minn.) Oakland might take a qb if they think Jamarcus is a bust and Cincinnati could trade Palmer to start over. But the Cleveland is not in the market, neith is Jax, neither is GB.

If Cassel gets traded to Detroit - it is not a given that KC will take Stafford if both Bradford and Sanchez come out.

In the next 10, Buffalo at 11 might take a qb, but probably not. The next 4 teams will not take a qb (Denver, Wash, NO, Houst) I think the Jets will draft 16th since SD won their playoff game. If NYJ does not take a qb could he go to the Bears or TB? Now he is pick in the late teens lookint at Brady Quinn type money - not Matt Ryan money.

Of course, Dallas could try to trade up with someone by offering Tony Romo and Jerry Jones endless resources. They do not have a first round pick right now though.

KRIS Chamberlain said...

Millions of Dollars -or- A College Education

...easy choice to me...
$$$

82 said...

Stafford also started nearly 40 games in the SEC. That's more experience most guys who stay their senior year ever get before entering the draft. I don't think he will be any better off in 2010 by spending 2009 in the SEC over the NFL.

skidawg1985 said...

Stafford should be praying that Bradford and Sanchez are taken ahead of him. The farther he falls, the better the odds on getting on a good to decent team and pull a Ben Roethlisberger (no way I spelled that correctly).

The money will be solid as a mid round pick and if he is successful more will come. Too many players are short sighted.

The key to me is to follow Matt Ryan's lead and get a deal signed fast and get into camp. QBs that sit out rarely seem to do well in the short or long term.

As for using UGA as a springboard to the NFL: for those who attended UGA, didn't you use UGA as a springboard for your career?

Thanks for the memories guys and best wishes.

Anonymous said...

One thing I don't understand is why? call a press conference to announce your leaving? Typically and pretty much as far back as I can remember most kids and AD's don't call press conferences to announce their leaving, only if you are staying. I don't discount the sources but it seems a little odd to do so.

skidawg1985 said...

I forgot to add that I think NFL teams will be hesitant to risk a high pick on Beanie Wells. He has had a lot of injuries.

Also, teams can get RBs lower in the draft and save money. Using a high pick on a RB seems like a bad idea. Denver had 1000 yard rushers who were 3rd to 6th round picks (mainly because they had a great O line and Elway).

BCS-Sucks said...

There was a bogus e-mail going around citing David Hale saying that he was staying. But Hale now says on his blog that his sources also say both are gone.

Oh, and Stafford's dad is driving Paige back to school. They won't be in Athens for the press conference.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad this finally got mentioned 82. Stafford will not be any better by staying another season. He is a pro QB playing college ball currently. Once he has pro players around him, he will shine moreso than he did in college. Routes are run far more efficiently, OL will be far more effective, and the coaching will be superior (Lord I hope he is able to bypass Detroit somehow). He is never going ot be the type of QB who steamrolls in college. He is a very talented and solid QB, but he is utilizing a professional skill-set with players geared more for the college game. Doesn't mesh although it sounds as if it should. Moreno will be a big loss, considering King may not be what we all thought he would be. Cox will be solid next year behind a stellar OL, RB will be by committee, Green will turn in another stellar year, another WR will emerge on the other side, DE's will improve greatly, LB play will improve as well. We'll be a team similar to Ala this year but not undefeated of course. Just a sound team with enough strengths to go 10-2 and a 2nd place finish in the East. New Years Day bowl against another Big 10 team which we win and finish in the lower part of the top 10.
Then it's onto the Aaron Murray years...

Anonymous said...

I think the press conference thing at UGA is way for both players to show respect for the program and the university. I don't think any of should be mad at them for leaving and having the announcement at UGA.

I think Richt being involved is a class thing to do, plus it cannot hurt recruiting by showing our support for our players when they make a decision that they truly believe is in their own best interest.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone else upset that they are calling a press conference to declare?!? Is this standard? A lot of fans have been begging for you to stay and this is how you go out? Seems pretty arrogant to me....

Muckbeast said...

Stafford and Moreno both gave us some great memories. They will be missed. I think Moreno is definitely making the right choice, and possibly Stafford as well. Look at Pollack's injury. If that had happened in college, no signing bonus payday, and no ability to say "I played in the NFL."

... however ...

Is there anyone else with a strange, hard to explain, sense of relief? The last 3 years have been, imho, the most frustrating of Richt's 8 year tenure. Something just hasn't been right. I am *NOT* blaming Stafford or Moreno whatsoever. I am just pointing something out. Maybe people expected those guys to do it all, maybe Georgia was just another school to them - they loved it, but didn't die for it, or maybe they didn't have an "it" factor in the locker room, or who knows what. But something was never right the last 3 years. While it may have nothing to do with those two players, I think the overall "weirdness" of the last 3 UGA teams makes it so I'm not as bummed as I thought I would be.

I am actually a little relieved that we are finally going to move forward into the next era.

The David Greene (w/ DJ Shockley) era was awesome.

The Stafford (w/ Tereshinski/Cox) era..... not so much.

Here's to our next era being more like Greene's and a little less like Stafford's.

-Michael
Muckbeast - Game Design and Online Worlds
http://www.muckbeast.com

Anonymous said...

Really? I see the press conference as a show of respect for the fans and the program. I'd feel much more disrespected if, for instance, Moreno just phoned it in from New Jersey. It's like breaking up ... no text messages or phone calls, no sending a friend to do your dirty work ... it's gotta be face-to-face.

Anonymous said...

Muckbeast,

I'm with ya 100%.

Dawgfan said...

Anyone know of anywhere I can watch the PC online?

Anonymous said...

Isn't the last player to call a press conference David Pollack? and he went and stayed his final year.

rbubp said...

Muckbeast, Moreno's body language in the MSU game was not a positive vibe toward Stafford. There's no doubt that Stafford's tendency to look downfield and not check to the backs cost the teams in the first half; Moreno was frustrated he didn't get more touches.

And considering how poorly our OL run blocked all year (not their fault!) and how well Moreno runs in space, I can't say I blame him. I love them both but i could see friction in the natural desire to be the center of the offense.

I think Moreno will be a great pro. On Stafford, though, the jury's still out. Decision-making was never his strength, and he'll need to get a lot better at it in a big hurry.

Ubiquitous GA Alum said...

As for the questions on why have a presser? This is not odd at UGA.

Chip Towers noted this in his blog ...

I sat at press conferences for Worley and Henderson and Hampton and Hearst and Hastings and Champ Bailey and watched them all make the jump. Who can blame them? I do recall Bernard Williams, Mitch Davis and Eric Zeier’s pressers to say they were staying, though.


David Hale guesses that it's to get most (not all) of the questions answered at one time so they can move on with their futures - thuse avoid being hounded by every beat reporter for a comment/qoute.

coachhunt said...

I wish them all the luck in the world, I am confident that the Dawgs will continue to improve and be able to adequately fill those gaps. I absolutely trust CMR. Go Dawgs

Anonymous said...

georgiadogs.com is broadcasting the press conference online for free

Anonymous said...

Underachievers.

Anonymous said...

When guys leave your program for the NFL then it is a credit to your program.
Other players/recruits will see that and want to be in that environment. Most college football players have the illusion that they are NFL material. Why not go where your odds of making it to the NFL are better?

on another note:
Did anyone catch the comment by the kid at the Army HS game about how his home for the next 3 years was going to be West Va as he announced his commitment? That's the mindset out there with some of these kids.
You'll never hear "Senior WR AJ Green" in Sanford Stadium.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the memories! It has been amazing watching these two athletes wear red and black...Once a DAWG always a DAWG...I'll be proud to watch the careers of these two young men!

Anonymous said...

What ever they do, it will be nice to end this media circus. I watched the bowl game again last night and it was clear the offense was not focused on game.

rbubp said...

"Am I alone out there? Does anyone else agree that they are overrated and have been disappointments?"

No.
They are neither overrated nor disappointing. What IS disappointing is that the cast around them was not always strong enough to lead to a great team, and in Knowshon's case it's disappointing that he was redhsirted and lost a year, but the guy is clearly ready for the pros.

Were you disappointed with Zeier and Hearst?

OVN said...

Am I alone out there? Does anyone else agree that they are overrated and have been disappointments?

War Willie

Yes, you're alone. If you're not, you should be. Stafford set the UGA record for TD passes in a single season. Moreno is the only back-to-back 1000 yard rusher since Herschel.

How is that disappointing? The fact that the TEAM did not win a National Championship does not mean these two INDIVIDUALS were overrated.

Bryan Carver Dawg 97 said...

Moreno is not a disappointment. I'd give up my next born child to have him back for one more year. No back I can remember turned 1-2 yard losses into 2-3 yard gains more frequently. Prime example the TD at SC and in the Cap Bowl when he collided with Staff on the handoff and still got back to the line of scrimmage. If he did come back (he's not), behind a healthy/experienced line, he'd hit 2000+ yds next year easy.

Stafford - all the gifts in the world, but in terms of talent versus production ratio, I've never been overly impressed. I take nothing away from what he's done and I hope he does well, but what is the learning curve on not throwing off your back foot, into 2 man coverage or some soft touch on a slant over the middle? Just saying that in specific terms of being the best QB he could, he left a lot on the table. But he's not the reason we didn't win as much as we could have.

Irwin R. Flecther said...

#1- Point of reference, Cassell isn't franchised. They can't do that until Feb. Report is that they will franchise him. Big difference.
#2- It's a good sign for the program that guys are leaving early to be drafted in the first round. It means you are getting elite talent and typically means you will keep getting it. LSU, Florida, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State...hasn't hurt them.
#3- It's a shame that most of the folks commenting clearly don't have a clue. It's like the old saying, "Act like you have been there before." Crapping on players for entering the draft or for being some of the most productive players in the history of the Red and Black is just b-league and should be beneath fans of a great program/university like UGA.
#4-People want to wax nostalgic about David Greene and DJ and other players b/c somehow Stafford and Moreno didn't deliver like they did...that is a myth. DJ won an SEC championship and is a great guy, but didn't sniff a Natty Championship and didn't win the Sugar Bowl. Greene was a great guy and won an SEC championship and finished #2 as a soph, but couldn't get us any higher as a jr. or sr. Stafford and Moreno led us to a #2 ranking and were a Vanderbilt field goal away from being in the SEC championship game with a chance for a national championship. None of these guys did anything but bleed red and black and give us great football to watch. We are all waiting for that group to get us over the hump and into the national championship picture/consistently beat FL...but everybody has flaws in their resume...there are few that have come close to the positives that Knowshon and Stafford have afforded us.

It's a great day to be a Dawg when two of your own are leaving to get paid millions of dollars whether it be b/c of a chemistry degree or a football pedigree. Good luck, fellas!

Go Dawgs!

Anonymous said...

Can someone post what's going on the in press conference? I'm blocked here at work.

Anonymous said...

They are both gone

Anonymous said...

Both announced they are leaving for the draft. Can't say I blame them...last year without the rookie salary cap...money talks! Both said they are interested in coming back and finishing their education. DGD's!!!!!!!

KRIS Chamberlain said...

I just got done watching it on ESPNEWS and they both said the right things..
5,000 yards and about 41 TD's is going to be hard to replace though..

Josh M. said...

"last year without the rookie salary cap..."

Not true. Still, correct decisions by all. I was just hoping Matt Ryan's success would lead Stafford back for a fourth year.

Anonymous said...

War Willie: I would save CUM from a burning building before you.

Anonymous said...

Could Joe Cox be the next Tee Martin?
We shall see.
War Willie- you are alone. Go find the other football geniuses who live on the negative side of fandom and bathe each other in that kind of crap.

skidawg1985 said...

So where does Stafford rank amongst all time UGA QBs? (I posed this question a year or two ago, time to bring it back).

DJ did not win the Sugar Bowl, but I place that loss squarely on the defense (and one poor special teams play). DJ brought UGA back and had a chance to win. DJ ranks high in my book as a person because he stayed. I really thought he would leave when it was clear Greene was not going to be beat out.

Irwin R. Flecther said...

"5,000 yards and about 41 TD's is going to be hard to replace though.."

1998 Volunteers lost Peyton Manning, Leonard Little, Marcus Nash, and Jamal Lewis to an ACL...

2007 LSU Tigers lost Jamarcus Russell, Craig Davis, Dwayne Bowe, LaRon Landry, and Justin Vincent

That doesn't include good teams that didn't win the MNC like USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc.

Is there any reason not to expect greatness every year?

ANON killa said...

I actually agree with Willie. Without a championship you are NOTHING.

Anonymous said...

War Willie uses poor sentence mechanics.

Anonymous said...

my order:
1. Greene--you can't deny what he accomplished, EVER.

2. DJ--a treasure.

3. Eric Zeier--come on, guys.

4. Stafford--if our receivers would've held on to the ball against the cocks last year in athens he'd have an sec title and possibly a national title. can't take anything away from him . . .but i'll take the three above on my uga team anyday over stafford. (and i'm not hatin' on staffdaddy, he will be a better pro than a college qb).

Anonymous said...

1 more thing, i'm really looking forward to seeing what joe cox and logan do next year, hopefully a greene/dj combination. i'm also looking forward to a clean slate, a fresh start (although for once i DO wish we were opening with ga southern in lieu of okie state).

Brian said...

If you think Stafford was only in it for himself go back and watch him make that tackle in the MSU following the interception of the tipped pass.

If all he was worried about was his NFL career, he should have just gotten out of the way and avoided a possible injury. Do you think the scouts are grading him on his tackling ability?

Anonymous said...

Don't forget about Goff when ranking your all time QB's. He was SEC player of the year in '76.

Anonymous said...

Moreno will be missed big time; however, Stafford was TOO inconsistent for us to beat the likes of Florida and Alabama. Next year will be like Martin taking over for Manning. Wait and see....

Good Luck to both of them and hopefully for Stafford, he will not wind up with the Lions.

rbubp said...

David Hale says that "Stafford, on the other hand, said he had pretty much made up his mind before the bowl game that he was leaving."

Not sure what I think about this, but it does rub me the wrong way somewhat. He should have had the most difficult decision to make for his own sake as a player. It kind of makes me want to go back to thinking Matty's view of his own ability doesn't quite square with everyone else's view.

I waffle on him, I know.

Anonymous said...

No east title.

No SECCG game appearance.

No SEC title.

Some good memories. Some bad ones.

Goodbye and good luck.

Bring on the future!

Anonymous said...

2008 UGA reminds me of the 80's Florida teams. Explosive offense and awful defense doesn't win championships and gets you embarassed at times.

DEFENSE is where it starts and ends. More specifically, DL and OL is where it starts.

We should have BOTH in 2009. Offense will take care of itself. With a week off before FLorida - watch out!

Anonymous said...

Tarkenton should be on that list as well as Zeke Bratkowski... Good luck to KM and Staff! DGD's!

Irwin R. Flecther said...

anon 3:57-

Just curious if you have any criteria or if those are just "gut" picks?

I actually think it is pretty hard to 'rank' those guys...I'd rather just celebrate what I like about each. I love DJ for the fact that he had one season and he led the boys to an SEC championship and set the record for TD passes. I love Greene for the Hobnail Boot and 70X takeoff, the SEC championship and the 2 SEC East titles, and 1 shared SEC East title.

As for the QB of the hour, I love Stafford for the highest final AP ranking since Herschel, the SEC east co-title, the most TD passes in one season, the guts he had his freshman year getting hammered on every pass, 3-0 against Auburn, 3-0 in bowl games, 11-4 against teams in the top 25, and a crazy .844 winning percentage as a starter (Greene's winning % by comparison was .820 as a starter). I can't imagine that any QB who started more than 20 games had a higher winning % that Matt Stafford.

Anonymous said...

"Stafford was TOO inconsistent for us to beat the likes of Florida and Alabama."

Except when, you know, he beat Florida and Alabama.

Anonymous said...

I wish each would stay but can any one tell me when Stafford played 4 good consistent quarters in any one game. I believe he needed another year just to improve his chance of making the NFL.

We beat Auburn two years in a row because their quarterback threw 5 interceptions.

TopDawg said...

Just an FYI...Of the 32 teams and their starting QBs only one played less than 4 yrs in college and that was Jamarcus Russell of Oakland.

Castleberry said...

TopDawg - are you saying that every QB PLAYED four years in college. There's a difference between being the starter and watching from the sidelines. I'm sure Stafford number of starts will compare well against most pro QBs.

Trey said...

Yeah, TopDawg's point is pretty pointless. Also, Big Ben went as a junior as well.

Crane said...

2009. The year of the Ginger.

Anonymous said...

Want some good news?

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/highschool/stories/2009/01/07/troup_football_chris_burnette.html

Kid has never made a B in his life (though CALCULUS may derail that), has a 5.12 GPA, is forgoing early enrollment (with CMR's blessing) to pursue being his high school's valedictorian and sends a daily text message to other Georgia commits with a Bible verse.

Oh, he wants to be an engineer -- and committed to Georgia over Tech anyway.

rbubp said...

From the AJC:
"It was a telling sign that Stafford submitted his name and paperwork to the NFL’s draft advisory committee this week, well before the Jan. 15 deadline. In fact, he had his mind made up long before the Bulldogs traveled to Orlando for the Capital One Bowl.

The reality is that Stafford has been training his whole life for this. He is expected to be selected in the first round, perhaps even No. 1.

That’s where the advisory board had him rated - “a likely first-round draft pick.” That is all he needed to know.

“I graduated high school early to come here,” said Stafford, who left Highland Park High in Dallas for good in December of 2005. “I feel like I’ve been on the fast track for a long time.” "

I tried to tell you all that his ego was an issue. It obviously still is. Lot of good talking to the Mannings did...

Irwin R. Flecther said...

Rbup-

He talked to the mannings...Archie and his 'zero' ego is going to demand stafford be traded to the Giants if the Lions take him #1 and Peyton taught him how to sexually harass the female trainers in the Nfl.

You really have no clue. All the kid did for UGA is win games at a 85% clip and you want to tear him down for recoginizing that if he worked his ass off, he could be on the way to a $35-$50 million job?

Get a clue.

rbubp said...

Who said I was tearing him down??? Look, Stafford was good, ok, I would rather have him than not! I don't blame him for leaving! I just think his priorities may have been--MAY--have been on himself sometimes, that's all.

I have little proof of this and it is only an impression, but take a look at what Joe Cox said in Bradley's AJC column about it.

It really disturbs me how many of the posters are so quick to hurl personal insults I have no clue? I;m sure I have as much a clue as most of the people here (except when it comes to Georgia Tech records). You people REALLY cannot handle any disagreement with your opinions!

Why don't you just make a claim otherwise--demonstrate that my hunch about Stafford is wrong and be done with it?

Anonymous said...

rbubp,

even if you are right, that stafford's priorities may have been on himself, so what? so what if he made up his mind before the bowl game? did he not play a great game? did the team not win (we do still play to win the games, i think)? did he not go make the tackle after he threw an INT?

don't his best interests and the team's best interests align? when would making himself a better nfl prospect hurt the team? the 85% of games he won? the record number of TDs? can you point to a single instance of stafford's "priorities being on himself" costing the team?

rbubp said...

Anon 11:37, no, i can't point to an instance, obviously.
I could envision situations, though. How about forcing that pass to AJ Green in the Florida game? The one that got run back to the one and pretty much ended the game? Did anyone else, other than me and the NFL scouts, wonder about his decision-making at times?

I have been down this road and people just got irked at me so I'll leave it here: I would rather have Stafford than not, OK? Maybe Joe Cox will enlighten us.

Muckbeast said...

> rbubp said...
> Muckbeast, Moreno's body language in the MSU
> game was not a positive vibe toward Stafford.
> There's no doubt that Stafford's tendency to
> look downfield and not check to the backs cost
> the teams in the first half; Moreno was
> frustrated he didn't get more touches.

That is a good point. Maybe those two stars, as awesome as they are, just were not a good combo. Perhaps that is one of the "something isn't right" factors I spoke of.

"Something hasn't been right" for the last 3 years. I think we can mostly agree on that without placing direct blame.

Don't confuse this with bashing. I loved watching them both play. I'd love to have them back. I can't wait to watch them in the pros. But something just has never quite clicked for our teams the last 3 years.

I just hope the next era will represent a departure from that, and maybe yield some better TEAMS even if it doesn't have as many super stars.

By the way, why are people excited by comparing things to the DJ/Green comparison. We were at our WORST when we would randomly sub DJ in for Greene. More often than not, it would just disrupt Green's rhythm (a huge problem for his style of QB), and DJ always felt so much pressure to immediately deliver miracles he would try too hard.

-Michael
Muckbeast - Game Design and Online Worlds
http://www.muckbeast.com

drunk dawg said...

RE: Things not being right the last 3 years.

Yeah, and those things were called "defense in big games". There are very few games you can lay at the feet of Stafford and Moreno.

82 said...

Muckbeast,
It worked against Clemson in 02.

Anonymous said...

rbubp: At what point are you going to understand that college prepares you for a career? If Stafford will most likely be the #1 pick in the draft, I think that's about as prepared as you can get. Here's to Stafford and Moreno for all they did for UGA and all they will continue to do through their excellent play. I hope they have long, spectacular careers and make MILLIONS!

Paul Westerdawg said...

Good grief.

Moreno and Stafford get along great. They hang out a lot off the field. There are some pretty funny photos that prove that.

rbubp said...

Anon 9:42, who said he's likely to be number 1? You? I keep reading that on Georgia blogs, but no one else says that, including the scouts who have him as the #3 QB and think he should stay in school to work on his decision-making. And when did I say college doesn't prepare you for a career? I do believe I said I don't blame him for leaving; what I am inclined to think, by his comments, is that he had one foot out the door.

I never said anything about how MS & KM get along OFF the field. I said that it's possible that sometimes Stafford's tendency, not a conscious decision--like the 3 pt shooter in basketball--was to force the ball downfield.

But as usual, the rest of you are right and I don't get it. It's an interpretation based on observation, not data, therefore anecdotal and not to be taken all THAT seriously. None of you was slandered. Have some civility and interest in dialog, please.

Anonymous said...

for what it may be worth...

in the greene/shockley era, the offense averaged 28.7 points/game, and the defense gave up 16.1 points/game.

in the stafford/moreno era, the offense averaged 32 points/game and the defense gave up 22.3 points/game.

perhaps that touchdown more per game we gave up was the "something" not right?

Irwin R. Flecther said...

Rbupp-

I'm sorry that "get a clue" was perceived as a personal insult. What I should have said was "your opinions and statements have little factual basis and therefore are not worthy of belief or consideration."

For example, here are some of the "no one else's" that say he will be #1 pick overall.

Scott Wright-www.draftcountdown.com

Mel Kiper- has had him his top rated QB for quite a while...he doesn't include underclassmen in his mock drafts, but well see how that unfolds in January (His latest rankings in December had Stafford ahead of Bradford and Sanchez)

Drew Sharp of the Detroit Free Press did a long article about the possibility of Stafford being the selection of the team he covers in Detroit...the Lions...who pick #1

Walterfootball.com- Matt Stafford #1 pick

Footballsfuture.com- Matt Stafford #1

About.com- Matthew Stafford #1

nfldraftdog.com- Matthew Stafford #1

Does this prove that Stafford will go #1? Absolutely not. Does it prove that people that spend their time talking about these sorts of things are saying he could go #1? Yes. I was hard pressed to find him going lower than #4 in most publications.

Respectfully, I submit to you that your opinions and statements have little factual basis and therefore are not worthy of belief or consideration.

rbubp said...

Thanks, Irwin. Of course, his draftability was never really what I was talking about, but I appreciate the research and find it a lot more interesting when I get to learn from posters rather than be attacked. I'll try to refrain from calling you an idiot because you didn't seem to really understand my posts.

Irwin R. Flecther said...

What part of your quote - "Anon 9:42, who said he's likely to be number 1? You? I keep reading that on Georgia blogs, but no one else says that, including the scouts who have him as the #3 QB and think he should stay in school to work on his decision-making." - did I not understand.

My understanding is that you stated no one else (other than Georgia blogs) said he is likely to go #1. My research shows that this statement is in not based in reality or fact.

Please help me understand if there is a different conclusion to draw other than your statement ...again, just to remind you "I keep reading that on Georgia blogs, but no one else says that, including the scouts who have him as the #3 QB and think he should stay in school to work on his decision-making"...was completely inaccurate.

And who are these "scouts" you keep referring to? You referenced them in a couple of posts. My understanding of the way scouts work (and this may be way off) is that scouts are paid to put together confidential information for their employer (i.e. team) so that their employer (i.e. team) will have a competitive advantage or at least detailed knowledge when selecting a player, signing a player, etc. I'm not aware of any scouts who are currently employed by actual teams that are allowed to run a blog, write a column, or generally share their confidential information with the public at large. I have heard of Scouts, Inc. and Scouts.com...but just to clarify, those are actually journalists, not employed scouts (to be fair, some of these journalists were former scouts good enough to be just that...former scouts.) Just because the word scout is in the name of the column or website, doesn't mean that it is actual Scouts writing (or that it is endorsed by Harper Lee for that matter).

respectfully, Fletch F. Fletch

rbubp said...

Phew. Just read upthread, man. Jeez. I was talking about whether Stafford helped the team as much as he could have.

Pretty much the whole thread.

Anonymous said...

Two other boys from Highland Park use to play for the Lions. Fitting Matthew should follow Bobby Layne and Doak to Detroit and bring championships to the motor city as they did.

Bryan Carver Dawg97 said...

First, let me put on my flameproof gear.

Second, the defense cost us games more times than not. And I appreciate his time at UGA. I don't think he was tanking or playing half heartedly. But...

Sure the TD pass to Mikey in 07 Bama was a thing of beauty, but so was Cox in 06 Colorado or Greene in 02 Auburn. With all of Stafford's talent, how many times did we see Staff throw off his back foot, force the ball or the opposite, not put enough touch on it? How many games was he actually over 70% passing like we've seen McCoy, Bradford or yes, even Tebow? Was he lights out second half Cap One? Yes, but how many halfs did he have like the first half? He's "ready" because he can throw a 50 yd bomb on a rope that no one else can. I wish him all the luck and success, I'm not hoping he's a failure. My perception of watching him for 3 years is that he's Jeff George or a poor man's Brett Favre waiting to happen.

Anonymous said...

Underachievers...didn't even play in the national title game.

Frank said...

Tebow will have to leave Florida before we get a shot at the SEC championship.

rbubp said...

...or because you can't spell "Fletcher." Guess that's why you're not "John Coctosin" or "Igor Stravinsky."

Irwin R. Flecther said...

Tru dat.

In 15 months, I have never noticed that the last name wasn't spelled the same as the movie.

Seriously, it has never been pointed out.

Honestly, your the first one.

Really.

-Congrats.

(on another note, it is really hard to use the "read upthread" & "I was talking about..." excuse when you are quoted in the flame.

Honestly, I hadn't read anything you had said...I just copied, pasted, put quotes around, and ripped the factual basis of my 'best guess of what you possibly had written' to shreds without reading any of it.

You know what they say about monkeys and typewriters and Shakespeare...I just guessed at the exact words of your post, guessed at where the quotes would go, and then hoped that my made up hypothesis would support the research I did on the Interwebnet (Al Gore Memorial Parkway).

"If I'm going to get busted, it is not going to be by a guy like that."

rbubp said...

"Honestly, I hadn't read anything you had said...I just copied, pasted, put quotes around, and ripped the factual basis of my 'best guess of what you possibly had written' to shreds without reading any of it."

Then you would have known, Ferris Fletch, that you brought up the "when are you going to understand that the game is pro job training" thing in the same sentence as "get a clue. " YOU started that, and I responded by questioning your statement, and you backed it up, thank you. But my point THROUGHOUT has not been about his job training, because I believe the point of the games is to WIN them, not to show NFL scouts what a great arm you have. I'm not sure Stafford or you agree with me on this. That's fine, but I think that point--whether the primary purpose of college football is to win games or to get ready for the pros--is much more debatable than to flame someone by saying "when are you going to get a clue" in not recognizing that the whole idea is to show off your individual ability.

I was lazy in not fact checking, and I do sincerely respect and appreciate being corrected, but "reading" is not the same as "understanding what you read." Maybe a little Faulkner is in order along with Harper Lee.

Irwin R. Flecther said...

I figured out the issue...you don't know how (or refuse to) acknowledge how quotations work.

You typed- "when are you going to understand that the game is pro job training"- You used quotation marks. That indicates that you are 'quoting' my exact words or remarks.

I didn't type that.

This is the issue, in my humble opinion... you aren't standing by anything that you actually typed and are trying to recreate a different meaning with each additional post...

Let me show you some examples of how quotes are used to denote someones exact statement-

"I tried to tell you all that his ego was an issue. It obviously still is. Lot of good talking to the Mannings did.."-Rbubp

"Who said I was tearing him down???"-Rbubp

"Who said he's likely to be number 1? You? I keep reading that on Georgia blogs, but no one else says that"-Rbubp

"Of course, his draftability was never really what I was talking about"-Rbubp

"I'll try to refrain from calling you an idiot because you didn't seem to really understand my posts."-Rbubp

"Just read upthread, man. Jeez. I was talking about whether Stafford helped the team as much as he could have. Pretty much the whole thread."-Rbubp

"I do sincerely respect and appreciate being corrected, but "reading" is not the same as "understanding what you read."-Rbubp


Truer words have never been spoken. Fin.

rbubp said...

Hi Fletch,
Thanks for choosing quotes out of context. It's what you do.

P.S. "draftability" is not the same as "ability." There's that little potential factor that gets in the way. I'm sorry for offending you by assuming widdle Matty was a big enough boy to hear that I think maybe he is not as perfect as you think he was. Good on you for defending the children, Mr. Gundy.

Have good fun with your little babies and juvenile 80's film references (at least use something good, like Scorcese or David Lynch), Rbubp.

Fin. (Is that from Godard?)

 
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