December 22, 2008
Hoops: UGA Lost to Texas A&M Corpus Christi tonight
And no. I'm not joking. The Bulldogs lost to TAMU C.C. 80-79 in overtime. We lost after the other guys hit a 3 pointer from near half court to beat the buzzer.
This is the second giant bowl of disaster for the team this year. Georgia started the Preseason NIT with a loss to Loyola-Chicago. It's one thing to lose to peer institutions. It's another to lose to hyphenated schools.
In Georgia's defense, Terrence Woodbury didn't play due to injury. Although, it shouldn't have mattered. What went wrong? I'm waiting on the autopsy from friends who saw it in person, but if I were guessing...I'd start with 25 turnovers.
Texas A&M Corpus Christi is now 6-6. Against Div I teams (of which there are 344), they are 3-6. They lost to Savannah State last week. Last year, they were 9-20.
Georgia gets UNC A&T on Sunday, and they play Kennesaw on New Years Eve.
PWD
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49 comments:
Just don't lose to Kennesaw. Don't do it Dawgs. Help me God if they do.
If they lose to Kennesaw....it time for Felton to go!!*
Not good. Not good at all.
I'm telling you, it would be much easier just to fold the program. None of you really care, nor have ever actually seen a good basketball team.
Really, UGAg will never have a successful basketball program. Never.
The idea that Georgia fans don't care about basketball is ridiculous. The idea that Georgia fans have never seen a good basketball team is absurd. The idea that Georgia can never have a successful basketball program is just not true. Look to our SEC neighbors to the south and to the north. Georgia has the money and the home-grown talent to do it, and the new practice facilities and a 60-mile drive to Atlanta. It was painfully obvious from day one that Tubby would leave for Kentucky the second he got the chance. Harrick had Georgia right there, he just couldn't manage the off-the-court issues. We just need a coach that can get the job done without walking in the door with his heart set on another school.
It is becoming more apparent that a mid-season fire may be acceptable in this case. We are pathetic. Watching the kids faces in that game on Saturday, they were totally disinterested.
Felton has never made an attempt to engage the fanbase. That would be fine if he could coach, but he cannot. He is below mediocre.
Felton can't get it done!
Arguments anyone?
I need some entertainment this morning so please someone, maybe a person who thought that Wofford was a tough team and we pulled out a gutsy win over them, or someone who's blind, dumb, Felton's kin, or a combination of all the above, to post defending this team. Please. Someone. I need a good laugh.
OK Paul....now you can poke fun at our BBall team
In a way I'm kind of glad it's going down like this. I can't think of much more painful than watching another close-but-not-quite tournament season, after which Felton and all of his apologists- whose numbers are mercifully dwindling, by the way- go on and on about how we always knew this would be a young team, and how we are *thisclose* to getting over the hump, yada, yada, yada...
If we're going to suck, let's go ahead and suck with unbridled fervor and leave no doubt in anyone's minds what needs to be done and do it, for the good of the program as a whole. Hopeflly Damon has Anthony Grant's celly on his speed dial.
I went to the Wofford game last Saturday (one of about 1,500) and I can tell you, Felton can't get it done. The team seems to have no offensive gameplan whatsoever. Defensively, I like their tenacity, but on the offensive side of the ball, they simply can't get it done.
With the rumored improvements to Stegeman and the new practice facility, we can't afford to let this team fall further into mediocrity. Felton is a good man who took over a very tough situation. However, he has had his time and it's time for a new spark.
I wish Evans would suck it up now and get rid of him.
A change needs to be made and needs to be made sooner rather than later. Hopefully for the next hire the AA can finally decide that they want to make basketball a priority. I was in school during the Harrick years and miss that kind of excitement on a boring Saturday when the Gaytor or UK would come in and have a nationally televised CBS game.
Felton needs to go.
It's been time for Felton to go for the past couple of years. I'm afraid the win in the SEC tourney last year just means he'll be around for a few more years. Until UGA administration gets serious about competing in men's basketball, we will continue to lose to teams with hyphenated names.
transformed team?
thats what they said after Layola (Chi) and thats what they said after not scoring in the last 8 minutes of the IL game.
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the tourney win probably did more long-term harm to the program than help because it kept felton around.
-i was at the tournament, and it definitely showed that the players won those games-not the coach.
I've long lost my ability to be a Felton apologist, but that's a bit much, andy. Felton did a hell of a job in the SECT, given the circumstances. We had, what...seven available guys? Troy Freaking Brewer even got playing time! Hate him all you want, but give him credit for what he deserves credit for.
That being said, I appreciate Felton removing the stain of Harrick, but it's time to cut him loose.
Also, 10:06...Evans is playing this just fine. It's not like he signed Felton to a multi-year extension after the one good week of last season. People who point knives at Evans are a bit ridiculous.
He's not going to be fired mid-season. Just get over that. All we can do is watch: if they turn it around, great; perhaps there's still hope with Felton, like we felt in 2006. If they don't turn it around, that's not so bad either (though terribly frustrating), because Felton will surely be gone.
(i) "The idea that Georgia fans don't care about basketball is ridiculous. "
No it's not, you rarely sell out that shit box you call a basketball arena. There are maybe 2,000 fans who even know you have a basketball team.
(ii) "The idea that Georgia fans have never seen a good basketball team is absurd. "
I was talking about a Georgia team, not another fan's team. Since 1980 ugag has 1 regular season conference championship and 2 conference tournament championships in what is well regarded as the garbage conference of major conferences. Two of the four times you made it to the second round were vacated by the NCAA. You have an overall record of 1199-1118. That's pretty bad.
(iii) "The idea that Georgia can never have a successful basketball program is just not true. Look to our SEC neighbors to the south and to the north. Georgia has the money and the home-grown talent to do it, and the new practice facilities and a 60-mile drive to Atlanta. "
Yes, and your "SEC neighbors" won't have success either. Y'all will never be in the same sentence as Kentucky, Florida, or even Alabama. Who cares about your new practice facilities when you can't even coach?
And more importantly, why would it matter that you are 60 miles from Atlanta? That just means you are 60 miles away from a better program that can actually consistently put kids in the NBA. Tech even turned a walk-on into an NBA player.
(iv) "It was painfully obvious from day one that Tubby would leave for Kentucky the second he got the chance. Harrick had Georgia right there, he just couldn't manage the off-the-court issues. We just need a coach that can get the job done without walking in the door with his heart set on another school."
LOL, why would anyone want to coach basketball at Georgia? Y'all are like the Auburn of basketball - Felton is as good as you can do yet you want to fire him? Too bad you can't replace him with Gene Chizuk, he'd be a better hire than whomever you are going to get.
And Harrick? It's great you can even mention his name with a straight face. He's a disgrace to the entire state, and especially a disgrace to what is supposed to be a decent academic institution. He wasn't even that great of a coach either.
Give up, fold the program. Give the money to underprivileged kids or football players that actually have heart. Maybe the cost of running the basketball program would convince an actual winner like Tebow to come to ugag.
Our guys are in a building process,by SEC tournament time we will be fine(i am assuming of course we get tornados, floods,locust etc during the tournament).
11:12 - Your "ugag" gives it away. UGA has done pretty well in basketball against your Georgia Tech team. Why has Tech been beaten so many times by such a garbage program?
You know, anonymous 11:12, it's apparent you're either a Tech fan or a Florida fan. You can step off regarding either of those teams' accomplishments; until Donovan showed up Florida was an absolute BB patsy and certainly had not ANY more cumulative success than we had. So UF would certainly be an example to us regarding getting a coach that could turn the program around.
If you're a Tech fan, congratulations on your status as a state powerhouse. Tell me about all of your titles outside of being better than everyone else in GA.
I usually refrain from initiating personal insults, because that really isn't my style, but I have to question the stability of those who spend their time posting on rival schools' blogs, especially ones so apparently unimportant as us. Perhaps they are also infatuated with pointing out their superiority on Savannah State and Georgia State blogs, too, if we're so bad.
Who cares ? It's just basketball.
To the Tech fan posting,
You do realize Coach Hewitt has a losing record versus UGA right?
With that said, Felton needs to be let go. Please Damon, make this happen.
No, I didn't realize that.
Like I said, it's just basketball.
BTW, I'am a Georgia fan.
Saw my first game in 1959, Orange Bowl- Ga. 14, Mo. 0.
That was a football game.
Excuse me, Jan. 1, 1960.
It was the 1959 team, SEC Champs.
Football.
Felton's a good guy, and he has done a good job of getting rid of the Harrick/Adams stench. However, at the end of the day, you have to win, and he's had plenty of time to show that he can't do that here.
It's a shame, because I really thought he could get it done coming out of WKU.
So, who else is out there?
"I don't get why you are bashing the shit out of the basketball team and not the football team."
The day the Football Team loses to Valdosta state at home, you let me know. Because that's what happened in hoops last night.
Felton and Martinez aren't remotely in the same conversation in terms of failure.
PWD
To be fair anon at 11:12, Auburn is the Auburn of basketball
This situation with Felton is exactly what Cowherd and Peter King were talking about this morning. They were talking about the Cowboys and how them making the playoffs will make them worse in the long run because they think they can still succeed and get by with all this drama between TO, Romo, and Witten (Pacman etc...). King was basically saying it would be better for them to NOT make it to realize they need some reflection in their organization.
Cowherd related this to how teams should root for failure to fix a problem. Like the Cavs tanking the last month of the season 4 years ago to get LeBron (now second best team in the East) or UF fans hating Ron Zook so much so that he would leave and UF would hire someone better (Meyer).
This is the same situation that UGA is in now and its not bad for us to root for losses because if it helps us long term then I'm all for it. Felton has HAD his shots and he apparently can't cash in. I hate to not support UGA basketball fervently but it's frankly getting annoying watching great in state talent leave for other schools and then the team we do have not perform consistently at all.
It should be noted, again, that Saint Hewitt has a losing record against the program that a certain someone wants disbanded.
As a troll, you fail. As a fan, you fail. As fail, you fail.
Yeah, the Cowboys can't win the Super Bowl with all that drama. Just ask Duane Thomas.
Even ignoring the drama angle, I don't buy your example, Watson. There's a stigma with the Cowboys right now that they can't win playoff games. Even if they make the playoffs, there are going to be some changes if they get knocked out in Round 1 again.
You should never cheer for misfortune for your team because you don't really know what's going to happen long term. If a coach is making progress, let them continue. They might be a great coach who just doesn't have it together yet. To use my own Cowboys example, Tom Landry went 25-53-4 in his first 6 seasons as the Cowboys head coach (1961-1965). He didn't have another losing season until 1986.
I think in Felton's case, he's probably had enough time. But if he can still make progress despite our slow start, we should keep him.
Please fire felton and bring in a good coach.
Keep Felton. He's doing a great job.
Like I said, it's only basketball.
Paul,
I don't think it is even Valdosta State.....more like West Georgia
Not a Gator or Tech fan.
Just a college BBall fan. And a few things are painfully obvious...
1) Florida won back to back Nat'l Championships
2) GT went to the finals only a few years ago
3) UGAg has not.
Players currently in the NBA
1) Florida - 11
2) GT - 7
3) UGA - 2
OK maybe it isn't worth folding, but your program isn't very good and won't get any coach remotely better than Hewitt. You have no history, no fan support, and mediocre at best facilities (whatever facelift you give to your shitbox won't keep it from being a shitbox), plus you play in a mediocre conference and receive very little television exposure. Your program routinely can't convince three or four star players to stay at home, or choose you over a place where they will have to learn calculus, yet at the same time you insist it is a shocker when you lose to teams you think are inferior to you.
Anon 6:36,
WE KNOW that Georgia Tech and Florida have better programs than us. WE KNOW that we cannot convince good recruits to come here. WE BELIEVE that we should have a better program than TAMU-CC.
Thank you for your incredible insight, Andy Katz.
However, Mr. Katz, it may be news to you that Florida never made the NCAA tournament until 1986, and that its all-time SEC record is 517-581, and that UF has 15 all-time NCAA appearances Georgia has 10--so when Felton started, Florida and Georgia were arguably even in all-time basketball "prowess."
OR, did you know that Georgia Tech's all-time ACC record is 166-210? How about that Ga Tech has 5 conference championships of ANY KIND since starting BB in 1906? (Georgia has 4).
Some amazing programs there throughout history, man--UF is a very recent winner of any kind, and Tech almost never wins anything of importance. Maybe they should give up basketball for being so historically inept.
Watson -
I was listening to that this morning and was thinking the same thing. If we're going to lose, we might as well "win" as a result. Get Felton out of here... if you believe he can coach or we run any semblance of a productive offense, just watch our inbound plays (they don't exist).
Bring in someone who can coach, start locking up atl/ga recruits and build from there.
Mr ANON 6:36....
Since you are such a "college basketball fan" and a supporter of neither Tech or UF **cough**Bullshit**cough, let me just remind you of a few things. I know you know them, but others might not...you know, you being such a big "college basketball fan" and all.
Ummm...
First of all, your facts regarding UF and Tech's results are correct,
And yes, our fan support has been sketchy, but here's a couple of facts.
The TV contract argument...OUT THE WINDOW. Part of the new agreement with ESPN (you may have heard of them) is that EVERY conference game is on an espn channel. That is gonna help.
Umm....MONEY....frankly, we got it, and if we are willing to spend it, we will be in contention for EVERY coach in America except for a few like K, Calhoun, Izzo, etc.
We were the most profitable athletic association in the US last year, ya know.
Oh, and that recruiting thing. That is just a Felton issue. I would worry more if you were a Tech fan that your man Hewitt can't get more studs to stay at home in Atlanta....after all, he has all the advantages you said we here at UGA don't. But back to recruiting....we get the right coach, and, with the new TV contract and such....we will get ours from the ATL.
Of course, as a big college basketball fan, you know all this already.
Right. Every GT player signs on planning to learn calculus. Tech's efforts to maintain top-tier basketball and football teams are an embarrassment to "the MIT of the South." Do you really think Marbury gave a flip whether he would have to learn calculus if he wanted a degree from Tech? Georgia Tech's academics are a source of pride for the entire state, but they need to go the route of the true top-flight institutions and quit admitting below-par students just because they can play a sport. Really, no school should admit below-par students, but the tough-academics excuse for Tech gets pretty old when the basketball team is full of guys planning on staying for only one year and the football team is playing guys who failed their classes.
I know its getting redundant but it needs to be said again: Yes, our program sucks right now. Yes, Felton needs to be fired.
But an obvious Tech fan coming on here and saying we should fold our program when comparing ourselves to them is ridiculous. It's been said probably three times on this already but: HEWITT HAS A LOSING RECORD VS. UGA
How bad does a coach have to be to have a losing record against a team that should "fold its program"?
Congrats on the football win Tech, your bound to get those around once during each US presidential term. However, never forget that you have a losing record vs. UGA in every sport you play except for Men's hoops. Deal with that nerds.
A Tech fan saying we should fold our hoops program since its historically bad would be like a Rutgers football fan saying Louisville should fold their program because of their suckiness this year. I mean yea, Louisville sucked, but your Rutgers, not Alabama. That's Tech hoops, your more like Oklahoma State football than UNC/Kentucky hoops.
A belated typo check: "Georgia Lost TO Texas A&M Corpus Christi Tonight," rather than losing Texas A&M Corpus Christi.
What they lost was their dignity.
UGA has more money to spend on a BB coach than any other program in the country. This is even before the new TV package. The question is, will we spend it? We should shoot for the best.
Wow. Tech wins their one in seven by three points and all of the sudden they are the kings of the world!
*sigh*
How tedious.
Really - Felton has overstayed his welcome!
I love when people get pissed off because Paul isn't bashing the football team as much as the basketball team. Get a grip guys.
We continue to be sans identity on offense. TAMCC's offensive success was fairly disturbing as we're usually decent on D.
I don't think Felton is back next year but I guess we'll see.
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