SEC Supervisor of Officials Rogers Redding (Georgia Tech class of '65) told the Athens Banner Herald that the video doesn't support the excessive celebration call. Redding told Tony Barnhart that the ref feels bad about it.
Well...that makes it ok. Wait. No it doesn't.
PWD
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Hit Curles in the pocketbook. I recommend anyone who has any money invested with his organization withdraw it now and let the CEO of the company know why.
That's a line you don't want to cross. He hurt your hobby. You don't hurt his family.
This terrible call will continue to come up over and over this week. Now while it was a terrible call, that did not cost us the ball game. Say the kickoff went 15 yards farther, Charles Scott's 33 yard touchdown would have been a 48 yard touchdown. With tackling eerily similar to Georgia Tech last year, that's a touchdown no matter how far out.
F*ck it. Cross the line.
What if his profession is sports betting? Maybe he lost a lot of money due to this POS call and therefore it "hurt his family".
Arbitrary? Yes. But no dumber than your logic.
I can only hope that our team uses this anger, this rage, to demolish UT this weekend.
I was at Tech in '99 when that bullshit call one the game for them. This is the latest in a long line of bad calls.
That is it folks. This was the final straw. No self-respecting UGA should sit on their hands and let this happen again.
I encourage thoughtful, firm, concise, crisp correspondence with the league office in Bham and with our own Athletic Dept.
"He (the SEC official) is beating himself up pretty bad over this one."
Oh don't you know he is. I bet he didn't sleep a wink Saturday night.
The TD run that LSU had late was actually in our favor. Otherwise, it would have been death by a thousand cuts. LSU was basically in FG position after the kickoff..no need to pass.
If you don't think LSU being 15 yards further down the field had an effect on their play calling, I can't help you. Now all that said, we should have covered the kick better, but none the less, take 15 yards off of their last field position, and things are different. They probably aren't even trying to run the ball at that point.
“This is a teachable moment for us to let the officials know to remind them of their responsibility to make good judgments. This is always going to be a judgment call, just like pass interference is a judgment call or holding or roughing the passer or offsides or anything else.”
Got that? All calls are judgement calls. In other words they will make a call when they judge a call is necessary.
That goes a long way towards explaining a lot of things.
To the people saying that the penalty didn't have that much of an effect and scott still would have run into the endzone on the ensuing drive, think about this:
No penalty and we kick off from the 30. We kick off from the 30, we're not running out of a huddle on the kickoff, we're lining up normally. We line up normally, we don't get the 5 yard procedural penalty. I believe the side with not enough players was the side the return went to. With an extra tackler over there, the chances of the return being that long are lower. Essentially, the "excessive" celebration penalty cost us a minimum of 20 yards, much more likely 25-30. Instead of starting on our 38, they probably start around their own 35. The offensive and defensive play calling is much different then. Did the penalty cost us the game? No, but it sure as hell didn't do our defense any favors.
7-5, if they were 15 yards further back they may not have been running the ball. Plays at the end of a game don't happen in a vacuum, each one dictates the next. In fact, if we were kicking from the 30, we may not have even kicked to Holliday and kicked to an upback who returns it to the 35, maybe 40. So they're 20-25 yards back and certainly in an obvious passing situation.
We didn't cover the kick well or play good enough defense to stop them, but that doesn't change the fact that we were at a disadvantage b/c of a terrible call.
Paul: 92,000 people did not see what Curles said he saw AJ do (as numerous angles of video confirmed.) This either makes him either blind or a liar. It might just be a hobby to me and you, but I bet CWM, CMB, and the rest of the Georgia coaches would beg to differ. As far as feeling bad, he probably went out to have a beer with Al Ford after the game. Those are two pieces of crap who shouldn't be allowed within 100 miles of Athens.
Why does the best football conference in the land have part time referees?
The SEC should pay full time salaries, create competition for the jobs to get the best people for the positions.
A $3 billion league does not need officials of this caliber. Just like the SEC brought most of the CF world a conference title game its time to show the way on officiating.
Paul,
Can we get the listing of the full crew from last Saturday?
TAKE IT OUT ON UT SATURDAY!!! GO DAWGS!!!
Paul,
You'd be doing God's work if you put together a list of all the SEC officiating crews along with where each and every one of them got their degrees. I'll start things off - pretty sure Steve Shaw went to Alabama.
yes, the touchdown run doomed us...but LSU would have been in panic mode and hurry up if they had been backed up and GA not kicked off from almost the other end zone. We might have actually kicked it for a touchback....but CANT from that position.. the refs knew it was a 1 pt game...SURE THEY DID
PWD...Please stop posting this garbage about "The Call". I really enjoy your site and believe that you do a great job, however, this is nuts. The belief that this call cost us the game is BS! Anyone of this opinion lacks football knowledge. Have you simply blocked the first 3 quarters out of your mind? Please go back and watch this game again and you will see this L is due to the crappy play of the offense in the 1st half. It is time that CMR step up and be a HC. He does not have control of this program right now. They lack an identity, in addition to discipline!
Do I honestly think the refs purposely tried to screw us and make us lose the game? No. However, with that being said, we all have our ingrained biases---its human nature and there is nothing wrong with that. And those biases will come out in some form or another. For example, if during political election season I see an ad from a certain party, I'm going to snicker at it more than I would an ad from a certain other party. Sure, I should be open (and I try to be) and not let such a thing influence my reactions/decisions, but again its human nature.
Anyway, the ref in question probably has an ingrained bias against UGA, though I'm certain he tries to hide such a bias which is what being a professional calls for. But, we're all flawed humans to some degree, and in this case I'm quite confident that his bias came to root, so to speak, after the play---subconsciously he does not like UGA, thus it was easier for him to "see" excessive celebration taking place.
AwesomeDawg,
You run your blog your way, and I'll run mine my way.
Paul
Every time a Dawg fan excuses bogus officiating, a Penn Wagers earns its wings.
Yodes,
The NFL does not employ "full time" officials, so why would the SEC?
Their QB was scared, too, didn't want to throw.
If they start on their side of the field, I'm convinced we win.
I think if UGA had 28 more points in the first half like they should have, the call wouldn’t have meant anything...
It is time for CMR to be accountable, not just a lawn ornament...
It was so disheartening to watch Clemson get embarrassed - then watch UGA play worse... Worse because UGA has bottom to top talent that is being wasted where Clemson just plain sucks donkey testicles...
How about we throw to AJ until it doesn’t work anymore?
PWD...I was simply amazed to see the coverage of the flag on AJ. I understand that 95% of DawgNation is hanging their collective hat on this call, but I was surprised you gave it so much attention. As I stated earlier, you have a great blog and do an amazing job. There are far too many fans chalking this L up to a bad call, and I do not believe that it had any effect on the outcome. I was not bashing you or the blog. Thanks again for all of your efforts and a great site for DawgNation!
then your a moran
Paul
Please stay with your coverage on celebration penalty. This is the first time we've had the media behind us. Something has to be done with Redding. Why is it CMR wouldn't make a comment on the call? But Myer had no problem with saying it was a "Awful Call" .
The whole problem with "the call" is that only one person thought it was excessive celebration and, he was an SEC official.
How could someone who is trained to know the rules and be objective make a call that absolutely no one else trained or otherwise seen as excessive celebration?
Here is why the apology is actually worse for UGA than no apology: By issuing the "apology" the SEC officials are now free to not call excessive penalty flags on future UGA opponents--all the while causing UGA players enough of a scare to tone down their celebrations. Basically, the SEC officials have now put handcuffs on UGA and a free pass on their opponents. Next time Tebow starts chomping down the sideline, Mark Richt will be told "Hey, we already issued you guys an apology."
Additionally, anybody who doesn't think the LSU celebration penalty was not a make-up call is lying to themselves. Watch the replay (at least from the Mark Richt show feed): one official threw the flag almost immediately after Scott is mobbed by his teammates while ANOTHER official who is running towards the mob had his hand on his flag well before he could have seen the other flag. It's almost unbelievable.
Finally, for those who say it didn't cost us the game, well they are the same ones who will tell you that the match didn't burn your house down--it was the fire.
"Something has to be done with Redding" WTF?
He wasn't the one calling the game; he's the one that came out and said that call probably shouldn't have been made.
It was not the match. It was the coverage teams inability to put water on the fire after it was lit.
Fire Fabris!!!!!
Back Judge Michael Watson. Where did he get his degree from. It is impossible to find any information about the SEC football officials. Its easier to find information on Irans nuclear weapons program
The ref feels bad about it? That's cool, let this be the last game he officiates in the SEC this year then. Next year, maybe. This year, no way. Let him go back to the Ohio Valley or something to learn how to officiate again, then he can have a chance next year...maybe.
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